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Re: The Sodor Map

Post by TaffyTheTankEngine on Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:08 pm

I feel that TATMRR messed up the Sodor map entirely. The way the layouts were placed just made it look like they were haphazardly placed. For example:

Henry's Tunnel has a curve before the tunnel and tracks running on top
Killaban appeared for no reason whatsoever
The town next to Knapford was replaced with trees
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Re: The Sodor Map

Post by ThomasSirHandel on Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:38 am

Cranky can be seen at Knapford station or yards somewhere so yeah because of the messed up locations the movie is a completely separate canon.
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Re: The Sodor Map

Post by Toz76 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:30 am

And yet look at how much Knapford Yard and Brendam Docks changed over time! Are seasons 2, 5, 9, 11, and 19 not canon to each other because Knapford Yard looks different?
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Post by ThomasSirHandel on Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:49 am

The yards from Seasons 2, 3 and 5 could be different yards around Knapford like how I have the Arlesburgh Harbour from Season 3 listed as a separate harbour then the one from SLOTLT. For Brendam Cranky could of been in a different era during Season 5 but I don't think he was ever supposed to be moved at Knapford in canon. Some also list the New Series, the Nitrogen Series, and the Arc series as separate canons. Some fans sometimes combine the New Series and Nitrogen Series and some list Seasons 5-7 as a separate canon from Seasons 1-4. I only seen 2-3 people that include everything as canon.
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Post by Toz76 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:52 pm

But why would anyone do that? That's like saying,"The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy is non-canon" (Yes, people do that, but it's honestly stupid). You have to take the good with the bad, and accept contradictions as they come.

Also, an Island with 5 convenient ports, a coal mine, Ffarquhar Quarry, Toryreck Mines, a claypit, a booming logging industry, and several slate quarries, not to mention a booming fish trade and four tourist-trap railways, and arguably the world's best steam repair facilities, would be a lot bigger than the romantic little backwater island Awdry envisioned. It would be more like the classic series: industrial, but still with some beauty in places.
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Post by luctheminecrafter on Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:09 pm

Like season 4-5: beautiful, but industrial. The fact that the modelmakers pulled that look off makes me respect them endlessly. 

And toz, a dock is sure to evolve over time, but a town does not simply disappear!
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Post by ThomasSirHandel on Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:29 pm

Hit never really released anything saying every production is canon besides the map which only showed where the locations were located so what is canon or non-canon could be the fan's opinions.
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Re: The Sodor Map

Post by luctheminecrafter on Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:54 pm

Does anyone know if Sam's map was made in his downtime or someone had him do it? I think it would look different if it HAD to be canon.

Also, maybe they don't really think about what stuff is canon.
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Post by Toz76 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:01 pm

Because to them, it's all canon.
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Post by ThomasSirHandel on Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:26 pm

I think they were mapping all locations to were they thought they would go. But it doesn't mean productions like TATMR or Misty Island is canon. The Misty Island tunnel was clearly boarded up in Season 17 and a town would not suddenly turn into a forest and then back into a town or Henry wouldn't suddenly go back to needing special coal without a official expiation and then back to not needing special coal and wise characters like Skarloey and Rheneas wouldn't start acting like immature children.
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Post by Toz76 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:44 pm

The thing is, the Misty Island Tunnel may be boarded up, but it's still there. You can't pretend that isn't true.
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Post by luctheminecrafter on Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:13 am

If it is boarded up, and MIR was a dream, the Logging Losers ARE STILL THERE!
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Post by ThomasSirHandel on Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:39 am

Maybe Misty Island is a dream world and engines can only visit when they sleep but it doesn't really exist in real life.
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Post by luctheminecrafter on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:45 pm

Then where does the tunnel lead to?
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Post by ThomasSirHandel on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:57 pm

Maybe the tunnel was really an old mine.
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Post by Toz76 on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:00 pm

Or what if.. the Misty Island Tunnel is the Magic Railroad! Shining Time/Muffle Mountain are actually on Misty Island, which has a strongly American heritage, as evidenced by its locomotives. It all fits!
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Post by luctheminecrafter on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:15 pm

So... either TATMR or MIR doesnt exist but not both?
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Post by Toz76 on Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:39 am

No, they both exist. I just managed to combine the two concepts.
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Post by luctheminecrafter on Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:02 am

So both still exist? 

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Post by ThomasSirHandel on Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:39 am

Depending what you count as canon. In my canon neither exist.
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Post by luctheminecrafter on Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:03 pm

I sure hope neither exists! But in my canon, both played out EXTREMELY different.
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Re: The Sodor Map

Post by OneJ_ on Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:33 am

I have a question. I have an interest of having the Skarloey Railway and the Small Railway interact with each other in the television series. If this is to happen in the future, where should the Skarloey-Arlesdale place be?
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Post by Toz76 on Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:41 am

Peel Godred, in my opinion. It's the one place all four railways are really close to, so they could easily be extended that far.
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Re: The Sodor Map

Post by DonaldDouglasandToby6 on Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:03 am

ThomasSirHandel wrote:Cranky can be seen at Knapford station or yards somewhere so yeah because of the messed up locations the movie is a completely separate canon.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that Cranky could be moved to different locations.

Also, I don't really think TATMRR is canon, but if it is, I really don't mind. Honestly canon isn't that important of an issue because...well...why bother including things as non-canon when they put the effort to air it? The series clearly has continuity; they mentioned episodes from all eras in Emily Saves the World. That pretty much cements it.
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Re: The Sodor Map

Post by ThomasSirHandel on Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:46 am

I think only small parts of Seasons 8-16 are canon in the reconnected series. Other then that I include the New Series and the Nitrogen Series as separate canons. For me the reconnected series started out with Season 6 as for when it was first introduced. Maybe it could of existed since Season 5.


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