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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:49 am

It's pretty clear some cars (Like your namesake's! Razz) are meant as non-sentient. They have no faces to speak of (and no mouths to do it with!)

While we are at it, what about "Belinda the Beetle"? She has no mouth, but she's sentient. (Belinda the Beetle is a lesser-known Awdry work, which I think was set around Ffarquhar.)
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toby7 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:57 am

What are all the tracks at Knapford for?

For trains, of course! Razz
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by OneJ_ on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:28 am

Another mystery about sentient engines and other vehicles is how do the drivers "drive" them. Henry supposedly ceased going down the Main Line to a tunnel now known as Henry's Tunnel in "The Sad Story of Henry". This means the engines have some control over their work ethic. Thomas seemed to run off on his own knocking his own driver off the footplate in the process. However, they cannot leave without a driver. Obviously this is different from engines and vehicles who are not sentient since the drvets have full control. To make things even more puzzling is that in the later seasons of the show (particularly TATMR) the engines act as if their drivers are nonexistent to an extent. I mean the drivers rarely speak now (barring Long Lost Friend and TAB).
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:41 am

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What are all the tracks at Knapford for?

For trains, of course! Razz

Yes, but what trains for what tracks? I like to think trains from Thomas's branch use tracks 3 and 4, passenger trains 1 and 2, through trains five, and goods trains 6, but really, it doesn't need so many tracks.
A lot of the TVS stations are that way: too big to make sense.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:28 am

OneJ_QuintupleA wrote:Another mystery about sentient engines and other vehicles is how do the drivers "drive" them. Henry supposedly ceased going down the Main Line to a tunnel now known as Henry's Tunnel in "The Sad Story of Henry". This means the engines have some control over their work ethic. Thomas seemed to run off on his own knocking his own driver off the footplate in the process. However, they cannot leave without a driver. Obviously this is different from engines and vehicles who are not sentient since the drvets have full control. To make things even more puzzling is that in the later seasons of the show (particularly TATMR) the engines act as if their drivers are nonexistent to an extent. I mean the drivers rarely speak now (barring Long Lost Friend and TAB).
I've always assumed after their drivers start them, the engines have some control over themselves. In Mountain Engines, Culdee seemed to be able to stop himself. So, the engines obviously have some control over themselves, though they still must be oiled, stoked, and started by their crews.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:31 am

toz76 wrote:It's pretty clear some cars (Like your namesake's! Razz) are meant as non-sentient. They have no faces to speak of (and no mouths to do it with!)

While we are at it, what about "Belinda the Beetle"? She has no mouth, but she's sentient. (Belinda the Beetle is a lesser-known Awdry work, which I think was set around Ffarquhar.)

(Whatever do you intend to infer by 'namesake'? Evil or Very Mad )

Well, Butch was this way, and he gained a face (And, by extension, sentience). Which raises another question - How do engines, automobiles, and other vehicles begin without faces, then gain them after such a long period? And, in the case of Lorry 1 & Bros., how do they lose them?

(I've certainly heard of Belinda, but I was actually unaware of the books being set in Ffarquhar. Intriguing! Surprised)
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:02 pm

Butch had a face in every appearance except that one, including the previous episode, Cranky Bugs. So... was his face "in the shop" at the time?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:54 pm

Mhm. I believe this is why some fans believe that engines and other vehicles can hid their faces at will.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toby7 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:11 pm

toz76 wrote:
Toby7 wrote:
What are all the tracks at Knapford for?

For trains, of course! Razz

Yes, but what trains for what tracks? I like to think trains from Thomas's branch use tracks 3 and 4, passenger trains 1 and 2, through trains five, and goods trains 6, but really, it doesn't need so many tracks.
A lot of the TVS stations are that way: too big to make sense.

Not really. Keep in mind Knapford (in the television series) is a terminal station. This brings up a lot of issues. The dwell time for trains is significantly longer in station tracks, as trains are sometimes cleaned between trips, crews are changed, minor mechanical issues are addressed, passengers are more likely to have a hard time finding their train in a busy station. Delays miles away will still send a ripple effect to Knapford. So an extra platform can come in handy so passengers are just standing around.

Also, in the Railway series, Brendam trains originated and returned to Knapford, so it's reasonable to suspect that that is the case in the TVS. So you have mainline trains, Ffarquhar trains, and Brendam trains, leaving at hourly intervals. When you factor in track work (station tracks will occasionally need to be taken out of service to be repaired/maintained), signal issues (Signals Crossed anyone? Razz), delays, increases in schedules, etc, Knapford is reasonably sized. Tidmouth was about the same size in the RWS and Awdry did his research so the station size reflects the needs of the population and economy.

I agree that some of the other stations are too big. The triple-track mainline annoys me the most as I think the double track suits the islands needs much more efficiently.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:16 pm

And what about Cronk? Awdry made it a major city, but it's so small in the TVS!
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toby7 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:04 pm

Yeah, Mitton never really cared much for the geography of Sodor. If you think about it the only thing he got right was Ffarquhar. And Tidmouth Sheds.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by ThomasSirHandel on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:48 pm

What I want to know is why Bill and Ben were working at the Centre Island Quarry from Seasons 6-12 instead of the claypits.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:12 am

I've just come to assume that the isle has a surplus of quarries in the television program.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Frankthetriviaman on Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:27 am

My understanding is that it turns out several of the Quarry names given were, in fact, alternate names for Ffarquhar Quarry, but I don't remember which names that applied too.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by OneJ_ on Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:23 pm

Quick question! Does someone have a theory of why the engines have teeth or a tongue?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by TheIsraeliSudrian on Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:27 pm

I guess they're not functional. They're probably just there to make them more human like.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Frankthetriviaman on Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:01 pm

I second that; plus you need a tongue to talk so I imagine that's part of it
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:32 pm

I don't think they have tongues- when were they seen?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by OneJ_ on Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:35 pm

toz76 wrote: I don't think they have tongues- when were they seen?
Throughout the CGI Series. You have to look real closely and carefully to see them though.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by ThomasSirHandel on Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:22 am

They didn't have tongues in Season 12 though. But that was because it was the first season to use CGI. Toad, S.C. Ruffey and Bulstrode are the only ones in the model series to have visible tongues.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by ArthurEngine on Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:54 am

Thomas the Tank Engine had a visible tongue in Season 2 when it comes to models. In Thomas, Percy and the Coal he had one when getting covered in coal dust.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:32 pm

Here's something I never understood: all the other railway companies built their own locomotive designs, but the NWR only had one unique locomotive class: the "Coffeepots". Why?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by TheIsraeliSudrian on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:43 pm

Kinda like how the only car manufactured in Israel was the Sussita (סוסיתא)?


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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:58 pm

I don't know anything about the "Susita", but I'm fairly certain this is different. Cars are frequently shipped across borders, but railway engines- not so much. I highly doubt Hatt could have purchased a brand-newish LNER A1, even the prototype, because he could have easily copied their competitors designs. Railways were fiercely protective of the designs. However, a lot of Hatt's locomotives seem to come secondhand from other railways. It's more than likely that there was a locomotive manufacturer somewhere making "NWR B2 Class" locomotives.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Tugboatfan4 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:03 pm

It might be possible in the early days the locomotive works on Sodor couldn't build a big engine like Gordon or Henry needed to run the mainline, so Hatt would have tried to get some from the Mainland. Also it does say he was friends with Stanier in the RWS so that's probably how he was able to get engines on loan or buy secondhand cheaply.
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