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Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:01 pm

Here we can discuss the mysteries of the Thomas franchise, such as...

  • How did the engines acquire their faces?
  • How did Sir Topham Hatt receive his knighthood?
  • Where is Smudger?

All these and more we will discuss and attempt to answer.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:06 am

Other questions:

-Who are the mysterious cameo engines?
-What is "Sodor Tramways"
-What are all the tracks at Knapford for?
-How and why do the station layouts change so quickly between seasons?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Frankthetriviaman on Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:16 am

- Who is the Marklin engine?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:21 am

I think we should start off with -
How did the engines get faces? (And by extension, sentience.)
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:27 am

A fine question. I've always thought of it like this:

Some engines are outfitted with "life systems", composed of a face, a "brain" fixed below the engine, and piping or wiring connecting the two. They are manufactured by various companies and sent to the railways. The reason Whiff wears glasses is because his eyes are "defective", but they are a rare type of eye no longer made, and Hatt can't replace them.

I realize this takes away a lot of the romance, but it's probably a logical explanation.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:47 am

I feel it's magic. Their intricate personalities, in my opinion, couldn't be manufactured.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:54 am

Question, then: if the engines are alive do to magic, what happens to an engine like Godred, who's taken apart piece by piece? And what happens to the engines his piece is installed on? Do they get a piece of his soul?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by OneJ_ on Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:08 am

-Who are the Electric Peel Godred Engines?
-Why haven't they never been seen yet on their branch line or anywhere for that matter?
-What exactly happened to the (original) plans to make an extension from Arlesburgh to Harwick?
-Is Misty Island an abandoned site now since we've seen the seemingly blocked up tunnel?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:27 am

toz76 wrote:Question, then: if the engines are alive do to magic, what happens to an engine like Godred, who's taken apart piece by piece? And what happens to the engines his piece is installed on? Do they get a piece of his soul?

Well - Let me rephrase. The engine has a 'magic' soul - once the engine dies (For the sake of the argument we'll assume Godred was dead by the time he was placed into the shed), their face is gone. So, it would be like someone being an organ donor - the organ would not affect the person's soul or personality.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by ThomasSirHandel on Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:37 am

I think it's more like a science experience then magic and the souls are created by advanced scientists.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Diesel 11 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:41 am

I personally think that that's what it is, no questions asked.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:48 am

True, and that's the point of view a lot of fans take: the engines are alive, now let's fix every inconsistency in the entire Sodorverse, figure out which E2 Thomas is, and gripe about every imperfection in the TV series ever. Razz

A common idea among fans is that engines can "hide" their faces at will. How would that happen?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by OneJ_ on Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:52 am

Since we are talking about the "soul" of an engine, I think it is time to bring up Henry's rebuild. There two main theories about this controversial topic. One is stated by the Reverend himself who claimed that there are two of him (If that was the case did Henry I "die"?). The second theory is that Henry's memory had easily survived the rebuild. Or could it probably be that his memory transferred from one shape to another since Henry seemed to have kept his memory. This is what I call a mystery!
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:57 am

While it is scientific, I doubt it would be capable considering science in the early 20th century..

And besides, it takes away a bit of the charm. I'm not saying it is magic, but I don't think it is science.

As for Henry I and Henry II..
I'd much rather take the Reverend's word, as sad as it may be.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:03 am

That's why my theory for an engine soul works: the workmen simply took Henry's life system off of Henry I and reattached it to Henry II.

Also, I can make my theory less science-y: for the engine to come to life, a special fixative (let us call it "Pramoloxy" for the sake of discussion) must be used to attach the engine's face to it's boiler. No Pramoloxy, no soul. It's MAGIC! Razz
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:06 am

I'm not saying that it has to be magic. But, considering most of the main engines were built in the late 19th - early 20th century, I doubt that EXTREME science is capable.

I'm enjoying this.

But, what is in the smokebox itself? Just the standard mechanical workings, I assume?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:18 am

Yes, the rest is just normal locomotive.

On that subject, what happens when the smokebox door is opened?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:24 am

Good question. Do they feel pain when it is opened?

Also, for the 'robot' theory, I found this artwork - http://www.deviantart.com/art/Sodor-cybernetics-318749547
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by ThomasSirHandel on Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:43 am

I think the science theory is the closest we will get without magic since Sodor was originally never suppose to be magic.


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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:05 pm

As I said, I do not think it is magic a la Magic Railroad, but I don't think it is that science considering the time period it begins in.
(This is rather fun!)
On a side note, what do you all think happened to Smudger?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Tugboatfan4 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:57 pm

They did say Sodor is a "magical" place and that was what the Rev. Awdry intended, and example could be the Stepney the Bluebell Engine Book, where the engines on the Bluebell railway don't have faces while Stepney does on Sodor, I think he mentioned something about this in Sodor: Read Between the Lines or the Island of Sodor: It's People, History and Railways
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by ThomasSirHandel on Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:02 pm

What about Thomas and the Great Railway Show where the National Railway Museum engines had faces.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Toz76 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:48 pm

Though that rule was followed in the Awdry books, it sort of "died" when the famous eight went to London, with their faces.

It's also worth noting that Awdry didn't really refer to the engines as alive outside the RWS. In some of his model railway articles, he calls Thomas and Toby "Thomas" and "Toby", with the quotations implying that the names aren't official. Hmm...

As long as we are discussing vehicles senitence, how come only some of Sodor's road vehicles, but nearly all its railway vehicles, are "living"?
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Diesel 11 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:19 pm

Sir Topham Hatt wrote:Also, for the 'robot' theory, I found this artwork - http://www.deviantart.com/art/Sodor-cybernetics-318749547

Overall, when it comes down to it, I think that there's something about Sodor that's magical, and that's why they have souls. But this picture and the theory is very good, and I like it better, even though I don't agree with it.
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Re: Mysteries of Thomas the Tank Engine Discussion

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:34 pm

toz76 wrote:Though that rule was followed in the Awdry books, it sort of "died" when the famous eight went to London, with their faces.

It's also worth noting that Awdry didn't really refer to the engines as alive outside the RWS. In some of his model railway articles, he calls Thomas and Toby "Thomas" and "Toby", with the quotations implying that the names aren't official. Hmm...

As long as we are discussing vehicles senitence, how come only some of Sodor's road vehicles, but nearly all its railway vehicles, are "living"?

Perhaps they all are, but only some have the fleshy gray face. Caroline, for instance, does not adhere to this rule (Not completely, perhaps), but is still alive.
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