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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:36 pm

Neither did MIR (Diesel was a plot mover-alonger)

Also, Broad Gauge wouldnt work on Sodor: No railway and never will or could be. And Maglevs wouldnt have anywhere to go: You're forgetting how ridiculously fast they go!
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Diesel 11 on Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:43 pm

We were able to put the maglevs in 3WSR, so I'm sure they'd work.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:48 pm

WHAT IS THIS 3WSR YOU ALL SPEAK OF??????
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Toz76 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:52 am

I don't know why they keep bringing it up. It's not canon...

But yes, Maglevs are fast. So imagine how convenient the transit would be! A half-hour round trip Tidmouth-Vicarstown! That would be a much bigger threat than "Alfred the Steam Villain".
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:14 pm

I looked it up: How could you possibly bring that up in canon discussions? ITS FANFICTION! NO DIFFERENT THEN FANFICTION.COM OR DEVIANTART!
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Toz76 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:29 am

1) Don't be a hypocrite.
2) It was intended as sarcasm. A lot of people have heard of him, so I was using it as an example.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by TGC on Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:29 am

Yeah... I'm leaving now, bye I'll see you in a month once my text-ears regain read-hearing again (wut)
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by DonaldDouglasandToby6 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:15 pm

A steam engine villain would work but it would probably work best as to have a grudge against the engines for not trusting him which turns into hatred. For something like this to work it has to be carefully planned.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:49 pm

Or it could simply be James' kind of baddie, where he teases an engine and it escalates.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by DonaldDouglasandToby6 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:29 am

Possibly, but that sort of doesn't count as a villain. Unless it's executed correctly.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:54 pm

Well, I guess I understand villian as "antagonist", which James has been lots of times.

BTW, whats up with that word "executed"? I thought it meant killing someone off.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Superiosity on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:53 pm

Execute can mean to put to death, yes, but execute in this sense means to carry out (a plan). What he meant by 'unless it's executed correctly' was 'unless it's done right'.

I want to stress that antagonists and villains are not the same thing. James and Diesel and 10 have both been antagonists only Diesel 10 is villain. This is because he has had evil intentions (wanting to scrap steamies) but James doesn't - he just acts like a jerk sometimes.

I think the idea for a Steamie who wants diesels scrapped is a good one. It would show that even though Diesels are prejeduced against Steamies, doing the same thing to the Diesels isn't any better.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:57 pm

I know, but it's so weird how words with to meanings work.

Plz, do not use "Steamie" and remind us of Miller, especially not with capital first letters!  Razz
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by DonaldDouglasandToby6 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:55 pm

luctheminecrafter wrote:I know, but it's so weird how words with to meanings work.

Plz, do not use "Steamie" and remind us of Miller, especially not with capital first letters!  Razz

Miller isn't the only one who used "steamie". I don't like the term either but people can say it if they want to.

And the English language is rather complex. Razz

As for a steam engine who hates Diesels, I like that idea.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Superiosity on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:08 pm

luctheminecrafter wrote:Plz, do not use "Steamie" and remind us of Miller, especially not with capital first letters!  Razz

Steamie Steamie Steamie.

Steamie.

Sorry about that. =P

In all seriousness though, I never actually realised people didn't like the term steamie. I always said it because you could diesels but you have to say steam engines. I don't know what was up the capital letters though, English is complex.

I do think that there is an unfair bias regarding the representation of Steamies steam engines vs diesels. Like I said before most of the steam engine antagonists are just jerks but diesel villains have been genuinely malicious. I think diesels get too much of a bad rap sometimes. I might be being a bit bold with this statement but I think the conflict between the steam and diesel engines are an example of fantastic racism (i.e. it's an allegory for racism). Many diesels are certainly prejudiced towards steamies but it's an important lesson to teach that fighting hate with hate doesn't solve any problems.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:07 am

Actually, there are just about as many bad diesels as good ones.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:39 am

Here's something, folks - A terribly misguided steam locomotive that tries to get the engines scrapped - saying that diesel-fication is the wave of the future, and the engines are out of date. But, when the engines are victorious, he/she learns his/her mistake - just before the engine is scrapped.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Superiosity on Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:18 am

Yes, I like that. For me the sign of a good antagonist is that even if their methods are wrong or extreme you understand (and maybe even agree with) their motives. The motive of moving technology forward is very viable one in this case.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:05 pm

HOLD IT!

Is there ANY way that the grumpy parents could launch another nuke if that happens? 

Yes, let me explain.

That idea is comparable to Hitler trying to destroy Jews when he was, in fact, technically a Jew. The grumpy parents could see that!
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Superiosity on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:23 pm

That's true - the whole steam engine vs diesel engines thing is one big allegory for racism. As long it ends up with the villain learning why hating the others (i.e. being racist) is bad then there shouldn't be problem.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:29 pm

As the creator of LucRants, I can tell you that no, it doesn't work that way with parents. Like that one where she talked about Tickled Pink, but it should be OK because he learned that it's OK, but she used that point as her strongest one in fact.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Toz76 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:10 am

I would love to see an episode where Thomas is the antagonist who acts racist to diesels and gets severely punished. It would go a long way towards fixing the damage that has been done, and give everyone a steam antagonist... at least for one episode.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by Doc Knickerbocker on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:18 am

luctheminecrafter wrote:HOLD IT!

Is there ANY way that the grumpy parents could launch another nuke if that happens? 

Yes, let me explain.

That idea is comparable to Hitler trying to destroy Jews when he was, in fact, technically a Jew. The grumpy parents could see that!
First of all, we're comparing Hitler to Thomas. This isn't Shed 17, folks, let's tone it down.

Secondly, it could show why one has to be informed in certain situations - one cannot blindly waltz in, ignorant and uninformed, spewing nonsense.

But, what we need is to have an episode having some of the wiser, more intelligent, and older engines (Edward, Toby, possibly Henry) pointing out the flaws in the diesel/steam hate to some of the more locomocist (That's the term now!  Laughing) engines, such as James, Gordon, and Diesel.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by luctheminecrafter on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:02 pm

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First of all, we're comparing Hitler to Thomas. This isn't Shed 17, folks, let's tone it down.

I'm being real here, the grumpy parents would do it, I'm trying to stop them!

Secondly, it could show why one has to be informed in certain situations - one cannot blindly waltz in, ignorant and uninformed, spewing nonsense.

Are you talking about the grumpy parents, the dieselists, or me?

But, what we need is to have an episode having some of the wiser, more intelligent, and older engines (Edward, Toby, possibly Henry) pointing out the flaws in the diesel/steam hate to some of the more locomocist (That's the term now!  Laughing) engines, such as James, Gordon, and Diesel.

But the grumpy parents will ignore that as to strengthen their point.
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Re: Could a Steam Engine Villain Work?

Post by TaffyTheTankEngine on Wed May 11, 2016 3:30 pm

I always though Samson would make a great steam engine villain. It's because of his arrogant, stubborn nature, that i though he could make a great anti-hero at least.
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